rooUPnP: Finally a Roon Extension for UPnP Streamers

huang · October 26, 2021, 8:05pm

I know what I have. It is not Roon compatible. It is a Sonore Signature Series Rendu. This device converts an Ethernet signal into either S/PDIF (BNC) or I2S (HDMI). It is an outstanding unit and plays well with my DAC. Your concern is appreciated though.

Yes they did previously sell a UPnP bridge.

miklats · October 26, 2021, 8:16pm

Interesting. I would be interested reading about that product.
Could you provide a link?

huang · October 26, 2021, 8:20pm

google Sonore Signature Series Rendu

miklats · October 26, 2021, 8:23pm

I see. This product was in the years BR (before Roon). That’s why I missed it.

DrCWO · November 13, 2021, 10:43am

I like to inform you that the New Release of rooExtend v2.1.0 is out!
See my announcement here:
rooExtend – The easy start with Roon Extensions - Audio Gear Talk - Roon Labs Community

DrCWO · November 26, 2021, 5:38pm

Evaluation period ends at the end of this year!

I like to let you know that I decided to end the evaluation period of rooUPnP on December 31, 2021.

What does this mean to you?

For all rooUPnP users who have already acquired a rooUPnP License Key, nothing will change and they don’t have to do anything but continue to use rooUPnP.
For all others who still operate rooUPnP with the free trial license key 69962830-E872-4031-BE07-1FE12D62818F, rooUPnP will no longer work from January 1, 2022. They have to buy a rooUPnP license key from https://rooExtend.com to continue using the product.

Why do I finish the evaluation period?
Since some time there are no more messages regarding working or not working UPNP devices nor much complaints about missing functionality. I thought I will find time to put more functionality into rooUPnP like display of metadata or cover art. But time is precious and I decided to focus on cool new Roon extensions instead of Riding a Dead Horse.

I promise to refund the money to everyone who buys a rooUPnP license key and then has problems with its UPnP device. Buying rooUPnP is therefore still absolutely risk-free.

Best DrCWO

Thomas_Serra · November 28, 2021, 4:09pm

@DrCWO

Hello,

I bought your RooUPnP some time ago and it works nicely. Thanks!!!

Unfortunately, it doesn’t support 24/384kHz (or 352,8 kHz) streaming, it is limited to 176.4kHz/192kHz.

Are you planning to implement the 384kHz capability?

Thank you for your help,

Regards,

Thomas

DrCWO · November 28, 2021, 5:15pm

I put that on my list. My challenge is find a device that supports 384kHz for testing. Do you know if UPnP with Volumio supports that rate if the DAC does?

Thomas_Serra · November 28, 2021, 5:22pm

I’m sorry, I don’t use Volumio, but do have a DAC that supports 384kHz. I might help testing your beta versions.

There is a Raspberry Pi DAC Module the that might help with the development.
DAC AK4493 - I2S 32bit 384kHz DSD128

If this helps with the dev, I can buy one for you.

DrCWO · November 28, 2021, 5:34pm

Thank’s for your offer

I have first to check what it means to increase sample rate. Maybe it is a simple thing, I just don’t know at the moment.

I’l get back to you.
Best DrCWO

Thomas_Serra · November 28, 2021, 5:46pm

Let me know

DrCWO · November 29, 2021, 8:55am

@Thomas_Serra, I uploaded a beta here. rooExtend-Beta - Google Drive. Please try if this works with the higher rates. I wonder if the Pi 4 is able to handle this speed.

Please let me know.
Best DrCWO

Thomas_Serra · November 29, 2021, 9:11am

@DrCWO The Pi 4 has a Gigabit Ethernet adapter

Should be ok. I’ll try this evening!

Thomas_Serra · November 29, 2021, 9:51pm

@DrCWO Max sample rate seems limited to 192 kHz in the device setup.

My streamer/DAC is a Naim ND555.
It should be able to handle streams up to 32bits/384kHz

DrCWO · November 30, 2021, 7:07am

Hi Thomas,
very bad

As far as I can see now, this limitation seems to be part of the Squezze API implementation by Roon. I extended rooUPnP to 384 and checked if the underlaying code has limitations. It has not.

I think this is the end of the story. If the Squeeze API is limited I have no chance.

Have you ever tried with Squeeze UPnP bridge. Does this work? I guess not.

Best DrCWO

Thomas_Serra · November 30, 2021, 1:27pm

No haven’t tried Squeeze UPnP. But checked its documentation. It is limited to 192kHz.

As for the Squezze API, I couldn’t find any documentation related to sample rates limitations.

Perhaps @brian could help us with Roon’s implementation and its potential limitations?

simon_pepper · December 1, 2021, 8:37am

Hi, The original Squeezebox hardware was limited to either 24/48 for Boom, SB3 & Duet, 24/96 for the Transporter & SB Touch.
There was then a ‘EDO plugin’ for the SBT that added 24/192 stream capability.

I would imagine that Roon’s Squeezebox support is upto 24/192 in-line with the hardware requirements from this equipment.

The software implementations of Squeezelite are not supported, which is the basis of many of the LMS2UPNP bridges, however they work.

I had both SB3 and SBT, and use the SonoreUPnP Bridge with my Naim NDS player which has a max of 24/192 anyway, which usage pre-dates the rooUPNP availability.

For the handful of “more than 24/192” recordings I have, I just get Roon down convert to 24/192 or 24/176.4 (same with DSD128, DSD256, DXD etc.)

Colin_Elven · December 3, 2021, 6:44pm

Hi Simon
I am contemplating getting the Sonore UPNP bridge, and was wondering what your experience with it was?
Have you had any problems with using it with Roon?

Thanks
Colin

simon_pepper · December 3, 2021, 11:03pm

No problems with Roon, once running on SonicOrbiter 2.3 and later.

Good up-to 24/192 and DSD64 via DoP to my Naim NDS Network player.

What are you planning on using it with?

Colin_Elven · December 4, 2021, 6:17pm

I have an Antipodes CX as core and have been looking for a used Plinius Toko as an end point. The Plinius is a regular UPNP renderer, it does not support OpenHome.