Tidal Playlists -- two questions

[Ed_Harrison]

Two quick questions:

1. Is there an easy way to access Tidal playlists on Roon?

2. Is there an easy way to add a song to a Tidal playlist through Roon? I can add to Roon playlists, but I’d like to also add/edit Tidal playlists while using Roon.

[ivan]

Hi, @Ed_Harrison, thanks for your questions!

Let me answer the second one. Unfortunately, the answer is no. You cannot neither add a composition to a TIDAL playlist nor add a TIDAL playlist to your Roon library using Roon app. Also you are not able to edit TIDAL playlists in Roon, for that purpose you need to visit TIDAL web-page. The same procedure is used for adding a TIDAL playlist to your Roon library, you add them to Favorites via TIDAL web-page after thst they will be visible in Playlists browser in Roon.

May I kindly ask you to clarify your first question?

Thanks!

–
Ivan

[Andy_Spinks]

Regarding #1, if you are not seeing your Tidal playlists in Roon, make sure “Shared Playlists” is turned on in the Roon playlist screen. From the main menu, go to Playlists, click “My Playlists,” and you should see it in the drop-down list. (Also, you need to be in the desktop version of Roon. This setting is apparently not available from the mobile app, at least not on iPhone.

[Andy_Spinks]

I put in a feature request post regarding the Tidal-Roon playlist disconnect. I never got any response, so I’m not sure the developers even saw it. @Ivan, is there a better way for us to recommend features? Should I have made a separate post for each suggestion?

Tidal Integration Ideas

Here are a few suggestions I have for better integration of Tidal in Roon: – Roon can add songs to my Tidal library. Why not give me the option to add all tracks in my local library to my Tidal library (assuming off course that all the metadata matches)? – Sync Favorites between Roon and Tidal. – Sync playlists between Roon and Tidal. (If Roon can’t be made to work outside my network, at least the features above would make the Tidal mobile app more useful. I’ve spent literally 15 years curat…

[mike (Mike Fass)]

@Andy_Spinks

I never got any response, so I’m not sure the developers even saw it.

We saw it, and we do appreciate the feedback, even if we don’t always have time to respond.

To be clear for the original poster:

• You can favorite or create playlists in TIDAL, and then you absolutely should have access to them in Roon

• You can browse TIDAL playlists in Roon from the Playlists tab of the TIDAL screen, as well as from the What’s New section

• You can also favorite add tracks or albums to your library in Roon, and those will be synced back to your TIDAL favorites as well

What you can’t do right now is edit imported playlists in Roon, and that goes for:

• playlists we found in your iTunes library
• M3U playlists we found in your watched folders
• TIDAL playlists attached to your account

As a general principle, Roon is designed to never modify the files on your hard drive – that’s one reason we don’t allow for editing or updating of M3U playlists or playlists from iTunes.

As for TIDAL playlists, it would be possible to sync some changes back to TIDAL, but there a number of cases where it doesn’t really work, as I discussed here.

For now, if you want to continue editing playlists you’ve imported from anywhere, you can just make a local copy:

We absolutely understand the desire to sync playlists you make in Roon back to your phone for on-the-go use, so know that we’re thinking of truly first-class ways to address that need in the future, guys.

[Andy_Spinks]

Thanks, Mike! I’m a heavy user of playlists; in fact, the availability of “smart” playlists and mobile syncing of playlists has been one of the things that has kept me chained to iTunes for so long. If you ever need someone to be an a focus group or beta tester for playlist functionality, please sign me up!

[Matthew_Gulseth]

I am a lifetime supporter and I love the functionality of Roon Playlists. Problem is there is no way of pushing these playlists back to Tidal. I bought Roon for its ease of use and meta data. I don’t want to have to go to Tidal all the time and repeat the same functions that I am doing in Roon when it comes to playlists. Please find a way for me to push data to Tidal. I get that some of my local library on a playlist might not be in Tidal. so be it. I just dont want to have to continue to go back and forth between Tidal and Roon.

[Benjamin_Chia]

I am a lifetime supporter and also use Soundiiz. If we could export an M3U playlist file containing tidal tracks then Soundiiz could use it…or if a web link could be supplied for the playlist Soundiiz could also use it. Full integration with Soundiiz would be amazing though, and maintains the Roon philosophy not to change your music files at all.

[RobOK]

@mike

What you can’t do right now is edit imported playlists in Roon, and that goes for:
…
As for TIDAL playlists, it would be possible to sync some changes back to TIDAL, but there a number of cases where it doesn’t really work, as I discussed here.

I think treating TIDAL like other import sources (m3U, iTunes) is not the way to think about it. You already have a deep integration of Tidal. Instead of talking about synching some changes to TIDAL I would propose that we can edit TIDAL playlists. As I have posted a screenshot before, on the Roon Playlist list it clearly shows that some playlists are Roon Playlists and some are TIDAL playlists. You already have two types of playlists. We should be able to edit TIDAL playlists by deleting TIDAL songs or by adding additional TIDAL songs. That is different than a request to sync Roon playlists back to TIDAL, that is where the messiness comes in of songs that don’t exist in TIDAL.

For your consideration,

Thanks,
Rob.

[andeug (Andreas)]

I would like to be able to add a song from Tidal via Roon into the Tidal playlist. This is just annoying: Roon creates its own playlists and they are not being synced with Tidal.

[Andrew_Ireland]

This is a huge UX issue/dealbreaker for me currently, and prevents me from being able to wholeheartedly recommend Roon to a lot of users.

For younger markets playlists are extremely important. A huge section of users would rather have a manageable solution for their playlists at home and on the go than use Roon at home and lose this synchronisation

[stephen_carlson]

This is a total deal breaker for me as well. If I cannot add music to my Tidal and Qobuz playlists whats the point of paying for this software. Once again Roon Labs seems to be dead stuck in a own your music paradigm. How do I justify Roon over mConnect which cost $5 if I am streaming all my music and have one endpoint.

[Rafal_Redo]

This is the most annoying and ridiculous issue in Roon. Most users on the planet use streaming services outside the home and for those people Roon is useless. Finally, Roon does not provide any method of integrating playlists between Roon and the apps which you have to use outside. Even at home , when I’m using Roon I must use Tidal to adding nice tracks for running or listening in the car. This lack is annoying enough to destroy any other benefits of Roon.

[Michael_Mowery]

I wish someone from Roon could answer this or give some promise that this is in the works @john. In the meanwhile any playlists I need for mobile I create in Tidal. When I am in the car on trips I download my music to the phones hard drive so I can listen to cd quality or higher sampling without burning through my data plan.

[Terje_Haaskjold (TerjeH)]

This was stated by Mike Fass from Roon back in sep-17… what has happened since?

@mike

We absolutely understand the desire to sync playlists you make in Roon back to your phone for on-the-go use, so know that we’re thinking of truly first-class ways to address that need in the future, guys.

[Michael_Mowery]

Apparently it takes about 5 years of thinking before addressing something truly first class

[Steffen_Rothammel (SteffenR)]

Hi Roon!
Whats about the tidal editing support??
As a music library browser and player this should be the most important function.
You find new music with the superb roon software and then you cannot add it to your tidal playlist? An extra playlist in roon make no sense, because with my smartphone in a train i have no roon!
If i had known this, i havent paid su much money for this software!
Please answer to this topic!
Thx
Steffen

[LaurentZ]

What’s the explanation of the lack of this function? is it a technical problem or a philosophy? Is there another thread explaining the best way to manage local and TIDAL playlists? Is it the same problem with Qobuz integration?

[RobOK]

It is philosophy. My understanding, love to be proven wrong, is they think the User Experience would not be smooth.

Here is one previous discussion.

Sync tidal in all my devices

I hear what you are saying and I don’t necessarily think Sonos is the model, but what you said is not correct. You can have a “Sonos Playlist” that can have music from all mixed sources and that playlist stays only in Sonos and no one expects it to go anywhere. As you said you can also be in a Source specific area and edit or add to a Spotify or Tidal Playlist. In Roon today, you actually have the same thing. You have Roon Playlists and you have Tidal Playlists. You can see in the attached im…

Mike was engaging in discussion, but then went silent.

There has not been a clear articulation from Roon whether they are considering it. I think in this day and age, people know where their playlists are (Roon, imported, Tidal, or Qobuz).

Hopefully it comes one day.

[LaurentZ]

Thank you for this answer.
I find it very strange that there is no more answer or communication from Roon since then…