Is there a way to automatically set the default version to local?

[Snook]

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Hi There,

It would be great if there was a way you could automatically select what version of albums would be the default.

Everythiung local for me is the highest quality, but it keeps sometimes selecting qobuz or tidal as the default/primary albums… I really don’t want this. Especially if my subscription lapses and then it just won’t play.

Similar sentiments on this post Changing Primary Version of an Album in my Library - #2 by jamie

possible somehow to automate this or is there a setting to ‘always make local music primary album’

This would be a feature much desired

[Suedkiez (Just a fellow user like you)]

When playing albums, Roon does default to the local version. This was causing unhappiness in another thread where the local files are poor quality. So I guess you are maybe not talking about that, but when using Roon Radio or things like that?

There is a current thread about that here:

Choosing local library version over streaming

When Roon Radio decides to choose a track, is there a way to tell it to always choose the local library version over streaming (Qobuz for example)? Or for example, only choose tracks from my local library for the next track to play?

And an answer in this post:

Choosing local library version over streaming

In a nutshell, no. Though there is a topic in #feedback:feature-suggestions for this…

And a link in that post to the feature request where you can vote for it

Roon radio: Ability to prioritize local files over streaming service

After the replay of the selected scope ends Roon radio kicks in. When it does it selects randomly among my local music and the Qobuz streaming library (I am a subcriber). It would be nice to be able to limit the scope to locally stored music only.

[Snook]

I guess to Clarify, i would love a check box to literally just tick ‘Make highest quality local copies default primary album’

For consistency, this would mean after adding a streaming service album and purchasing say qobuz copy once you decide its a favourite you want to own, when those tracks are imported its not set to default. It would be great to do 1 pass on the entire library that automatically does this.

And further to this, syncing the hearted tracks to the primary copy would be excellent.

It’s tedious as to

1. Add album to library from streaming service
2. Heart some tracks as u come to like that album
3. decide to purchase
4. album is added to library, but is not primary copy
5. hearts stay with streaming album, making them useless as you no longer use that version of the album.

It’s very very convoluted and annoying. I feel that when you group albums, they should be synced anyway and treated as 1 album.

[Suedkiez (Just a fellow user like you)]

I agree. This relates to the following threads and feature suggestions (there are many more):

Copying Custom Credits from one album to another?

The addition of custom credits is fantastic, but it requires a lot of work, that I am happy to do…once. The problem is I have many albums in multiple versions, ie: Original Release, Digital Remaster, DSD etc etc… So is there any way to copy ALL of the custom credits I have added form one album to another instead of having to re-enter them all for each copy of the album?

Roon choose alternate source If you change music services

So there’s a feature in Roon where you can create playlists and add music to your library if adding from a streaming source such as tidal. What happens if you’ve added a bunch of songs to your library and created playlists which consist of songs located on your nas, tidal, wherever and you decide that tidal is too expensive or they suddenly go out of business. If I had built a large library based off a streaming music service I think currently I would have to re-add all of those songs again to …

Is it possible to copy a Tidal metadata to a local ripped album

I have a lot of of unidentified albums, but I can found them on Tidal. Identify on Roon doesn’t find the Tidal metadata, sometimes Roon finds the wrong one, which happens a lot on classical albums. so here the question 1, Does Roon have all the metadata from Tidal, if does, can I assign a local album to a specific tidal version’s metadata? that will save me a lot of time. 2, how can I search for classical albums that including all related albums? conductors, orchestra or composer. sometimes wh…

How can I copy metadata between versions of an album?

A relatively common scenario: I add a Tidal album to my library, I find I like it and care about it so I edit the metadata (for my favorite music, Tidal rarely includes credits and Roon’s metadata ditto), a laborious process, then I find I like it so much I want to own it so I buy a download or CD, I make it Primary, but now I have edit the meatadata all over again. And clever shortcuts? Lightroom has a way of copying selected metadata or photo edits between photos. Would be useful here. Not j…

Replacing Tidal albums with local ones - any way to keep play history/counts etc

This might be a simple one but not sure how to do it if it’s possible. Have recently started buying quite a lot of my favourite Tidal albums - either download or CD rip. Once I add them, assuming all identifies, I set the local copy to primary. But then all the play counts are ‘zero’. Is there any way to carry this info over? Albums sorted by most played is one of my most common views, so that causes a bit of an issue, but also would like to keep the play counts anyway (and favourite tracks …

Eliminate LOCAL / STREAMING redundancies or inconsistencies

To those two types of redundancies, I would add a third one, the choices made by the Roon radio. If I understand it’s functionality correctly, it either chooses from all albums in one’s library (local AND streaming) OR it picks titles from the local library ONLY (done by ticking a playlist option). The problem occurs when the default option is enabled (local + streaming): if one owns a local version of a certain material (song, composition…), the radio will nonetheless play the streaming versio…

And at the root of it it’s probably this:

Solve the library/non-library conundrum and all the complexities it creates for tagging, focus, playlists etc

This is not “just” a feature request. It is a request to give priority to the library/non-library issue that creates plenty of problems for other features. It creates difficulties, inconsistencies, and incomprehensible complexities. For starters, it is close to impossible to get library versions of tracks in a (local copy of) Tidal playlists. As a result, tagging can’t be used for plenty of tracks… even if they are in your library, because, often it is not the library-version that you find in yo…

[Snook]

Plenty for Roon to Achieve hey… I feel nervous. These are core features of library type management.

[Suedkiez (Just a fellow user like you)]

The addition of streaming led to many conundrums about equivalence of albums and where the metadata is stored, in versions of an album or in a higher level that applies to all versions. Not all of it is easy to solve. Credits, for instance, might be common to all versions or not - think bonus tracks. I hope it’s going to be solved, the current situation with this can be annoying. I have stopped making big edits to streaming albums that may then disappear or be replaced. I think an easier stop gap would be giving us the option to manually apply edits from one album to another

[Snook]

There just needs to be a button “keep all grouped albums in sync” and “always make local album copy default”

Essentially any metadata edits or hearted songs on one album should be applied to all other versions when you have them grouped as albums

It should also then auto fail over and play songs from the whole grouped album if say a playlist has a tidal song and it gets pulled… roon should be smart enough to play that song from one of the other album versions in the group. Currently it just fails or skips

These two things frustrate me daily

[Suedkiez (Just a fellow user like you)]

@Snook

Essentially any metadata edits or hearted songs on one album should be applied to all other versions when you have them grouped as albums

From my perspective that’s just not true. Examples:

• An album reissue may have an engineering credit that only applies to the reissue
• A user may want to apply a heart only to a particular version

Luckily it’s not us who have to solve this
Very frustrating though, I agree

[Snook]

That’s why it should be an option u can choose not default

Syncing hearts is a common one, I use hearts to mark the best songs on an album but if I go purchase it from qobuz and add that as a local copy all the hearts are gone…… silly system imo

[Suedkiez (Just a fellow user like you)]

@Snook

That’s why it should be an option u can choose not default

Yeah, I already had agreed with that,

@Suedkiez

I think an easier stop gap would be giving us the option to manually apply edits from one album to another

I just thought you meant “any metadata” by default should be added to all versions. It’s probably the case for most, but not all.

@Snook

Syncing hearts is a common one, I use hearts to mark the best songs on an album but if I go purchase it from qobuz and add that as a local copy all the hearts are gone…… silly system imo

I agree, I just think there are other use cases as well